The word ‘Civilized’ by definition means to live in cities and includes everything associated and linked to living in tightly organised, structured, law making, stratified and hierarchical systems. Jeff goes on to describe the differences between indigenous living and civilisation especially with the extractive economy to that of the consumptive economy where mining, from iron, to diamonds, to gold and coal and to today’s big baddie uranium. It was either the people for the earth or the people against the earth. The indigenous not owning the land but instead being custodians.
When we look at the land grabs, the deaths, the betrayals, the deforestation, polluted rivers, broken down communities, the environmental damage, alcoholism, disease and societies over the hundreds of years this has been happening, the indigenous people have been virtually wiped out, now only living in isolation or assimilation, endeavouring to survive, being devoured by the machine that is supposedly civilised! See the movie Avatar as an example.
Jeff introduces the Hopi Prophecy from the area of 4 Corners in the USA and the movie Koyannasquatsi and that homo sapiens morphing into the possibility of being a micro virus. When asked to look at our planet (as the loaner of our bodies as well as loaning us free air, water and a food chain) how would a ‘sentient mother earth’ relate to us if we were known as her billions of children? No more special or less special than any other species, but we have somehow through incomprehensible events become to be tyrants of the earth hence the homo sapien micro virus. This being accentuated via the processes of the military industrial complex; where we are seeing the downside of our actions as to what is happening on earth today. Displacing so many minerals in the ground that we are altering the magnetic field of our planet.
Dr J Lilly – maintained the true meaning of terrestrial means the land so that the words extraterrestrial means away from land. Hence cetaceans could be perceived as being extra terrestrials. Yet at the same time on the land, many indigenous peoples are connecting even deeper into their relationship with Mother Earth, as with Maori and Papatuanuku.
Jeff talks about being with musician Ralph Towner who was invited into Jeff’s project to record sound and music with wild dolphins and whales from boats, all being connected by satellite and beaming it out into space by radio telescope. This brought him into contact with Arthur C Clarke the science fiction writer of 2001 Space Odyssey. However, Ralph Towner’s first response was to say – “we need to leave those people alone!” Calling cetacean’s ‘people’.
How is it that we are at one level wanting to engage in musical dialogue whilst on the other flipper – we are waging war on them. And since the mid 1990’s Jeff has put his focus on to publicising to everyone who wants to listen about the full spectrum war we are waging on whales and dolphins globally. Especially with naval sonar.
The interview covers; communicating with dolphins underwater using sophisticated acoustic devices and that the dolphin range for hearing is far, far higher than humans – it overlaps ours but goes up by a couple of hundred thousand hertz. Sound travels not only faster but at a higher density level in a more dense medium – water than it does in air.
Dolphins have a number of communication capabilities that they can use simultaneously such as stereo echo location – with their clicks and whistles, and another one where they can beam a focussed shock wave of sound out of the mellon which is in their head, to stun fish.
Whales though mammals have another extension on their brain the paralimbic lobe that no other mammal has – believed to do with synaesthesia the merging of all the different senses at once.
Also that the US navy has researched dolphins and endeavoured to weaponise them to carry explosive charges etc. Most of this information is secret /even though the US navy controls about 70% of all the worlds marine biology research. Jeff refers to the dolphins and whales having been around for 10 to 20 million years as the ultimate indigenous people. Up until the end of the 19th century the world oceans were navigated by sailing boats, and the seas were silent, then with the advent of engines to propel ships and boats, to submarines and ASDEC and sonar and other electronic technologies the seas and oceans are now being pulsed and microwaved with both high and low frequency sound that is causing major distress to ocean fauna.
Jeff intuitively feels that we can have an empathic and telepathic connection and communication with whales and dolphins because ‘consciousness is nonlocal’ meaning you don’t actually have to be out on the water or out to sea to communicate with these beings.
An exceptionally interesting interview:
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