Dr Robin Kelly - From Empathy, Compassion and Nurturing to Betrayal, Sociopathy and Psychopathy

Interviewed by Tim LynchJuly 6, 2016
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Today, I learn that doctors are having to deal with many variants of mental disturbances. That the art of listening is extremely important so as to gain
trust and be sensitive to the many needs of a society that is becoming increasingly stressful.

From empathy, compassion and nurturing, to the challenges of abandonment, abuse and separation, to betrayal, sociopathy and psychopathy.

In identifying the darker side of the human character we learn that there is a certain percentage of people who show no signs of connection, compassion
or empathy, but instead climb the ladder of the proverbial power structures to embed themselves at the top, or at a critical nodal point or as a gatekeeper.

Yet, the challenge for all of us is to become whole - whilst living in a society that has many dysfunctionalities and fragmentations. That people wanting
to become more fulfilled, but lack a moral or ethical compass - instead, fill themselves with distractions and indulgences and get caught up - by becoming
addicted to so-many fixations and obsessions, in an effort to fill this emptiness and lack of wholeness.

However, the only thing that you can really fill this emptiness, is love and joy - that which we cannot hold in our hand, being non material - like creativity,
art, music, dance, fun and most of all of connection and warm and heart filled relationships.

By being mindful and empathic - it will take us into a realm where healing can take place.

In his practice as an MD, self compassionate people come to see him who are struggling with looking after themselves - 'as an act of compassion.’

Many are women which is probably why women suffer from chronic illness the most, because they care too much and become affected too easily. This being
due to their sensitivity as their given role has been to nurture others and not necessarily themselves. Robin sees his role is to engender within them
- self regard and self compassion - and to validate and empower them. (and there is much more to it, than this).

This interview also looks at identifying the darker/shadow side of the human character.

Though he does not often come in contact with this, in his own work or in family and community settings. He is however, noticing that patients are coming
to him, and though not dark themselves have been affected by the dark side of others, be it in relationships or at work, be it abuse, bullying or more
subtle signs of verbal abuse - even silence can be very abusive.

Also, some people can suffer early in life from abandonment or abuse and the result is that later in life certain genetic memories can be turned back on
and the body, because it is older is less able to cope with it - and can switch on not only emotional conditions like depression and anxiety, but physical
conditions as well - this is actually the epi-genetics of illness.

Covering abandonment and the feelings of separation - and abuse, plus betrayal - that some young people find that their spirituality was taken away from
them as well - their innocence and purity gone and so is their sacred purpose - this is why the wounds and hurt goes so very deep.

It's important to listen.

In Robin’s practice he said it’s most important to really listen - that there is no separation and that connection is imperative. Especially, when dealing
with cancer sufferers who are in a terminal situation - leading to the end of their lives.

He endeavours to always gather a team around that person, if they don’t already have a team - so that, that patient is then nurtured and feels supported
by being part of a community. Also, Robin too can be part of that community and having the next door neighbour being part of it as well. They have
to choose to have this close community that may include doctors, specialists and the home helper and the family.

Robin sees that abandonment is one of the greatest issues that we face because it creates a feeling that we are separate yet this is a false feeling -
a falsity. We function best with more joy - with other people - and with their team around them they feel validated and you just love them for who
they are.

We cover the topic of empathy - with sitting with someone - where you yourself remember in previous times in your own life, when you felt that lonely or
alone. When with a patient you don’t straight away try a fix them or come out with a solution - you listen. Robin says there is a lot of talk about
energy medicine - and he states that in this case too - being able to listen with an open heart is imperative.

As an acupuncturist, Robin is also able to tap in and listen to the many invisible signals that are within our body. That every organ in our anatomy has
a different pulse or signature and he can quickly determine the health of any one of the particular organs. He does this by feeling the numerous differing
pulses on the inside of the patient’s wrist. He can determine their strength and or weaknesses of any particular organ and then by using acupuncture
needles he can bring about balance - by opening energy flows throughout the body resulting in integrating them into the wellbeing of the ‘whole body’
- as one, integrated system.


Also, that our society suffers in many ways, due to many of its dysfunctionalities and fragmentations - and while we have people wanting to be more whole,
often they lack a moral or ethical compass, and instead, fill themselves with distractions and indulgences and get caught up by becoming addicted to
so many fixations and obsessions … dope, booze, sugar, and also materialism - all to fill this emptiness and lack of wholeness.

And we are encouraged to fill this whole, because we are embedded into a consumer society who wants us and encourages us, to buy stuff and to buy it often.
But, not only that, we are filling it with busy-ness - by always being busy .… and not centered.

However, the only true thing that you can fill this emptiness with, is with love and joy - that which we cannot hold in our hand, being non material -
like creativity, art, music, dance, fun, but especially connection and being supported. (And heaps of hugs help too!)

Now all humans have this emptiness as we are born into it and during the course of our existence we fill this with the love of our parents and families
and community - and that we embed - usually by osmosis - principles, values, morality, ethics from the family and the community that surrounds us.

Many people fill their emptiness with relationships that are not real and not loving and that too has its challenges. That when this subject comes up in
a doctor patient scenario they start to cry and touch on this emptiness and sadness and one of the unique things about this outpouring of heartbreak
is that the body appreciates this - there is no real damage done to our body - because of this recognition - healing can take place. The next step
is to start filling that hole and that self esteem needs to be built up, especially with loving relationships - communing with nature and visiting
lovely places. This leads to how they can fill themselves from within, with a reality that can make their life whole and meaningful.

Robin mentions that sadness can be passed on over generations - and this is particularly noticed if there has been a lot of generations having gone off
to war. Yet, women too have inherited generations of repression and this also needs to be acknowledged and healed.

This interview covers many aspects of healing and how we listen is a most important component.

We also covers a deeper understanding of narcissism and when it becomes malignant narcissism and the shadow around that subject - that in turn leads to
sociopathy and psychopathy and how we are now finally realising what these are and finding them at younger ages so as to engage remedial action before
much societal damage occurs.

One of the traits of sociopaths and psychopaths is that they lie and then fully believe their own lies.


Robin introduces the unique book written by Paul Levy ‘Dispelling Wetiko’ It states: There is a contagious psychospiritual disease of the soul, a parasite
of the mind, that is currently being acted out en masse on the world stage via a collective psychosis of titanic proportions. This mind-virus—which
Native Americans have called "wetiko"—covertly operates through the unconscious blind spots in the human psyche, rendering people oblivious to
their own madness and compelling them to act against their own best interests.

That 99% of the human race are salvageable and will see the light, but there is a certain percentage who are unsalvageable - this new knowledge is as a
result of more recent data and research.

Robert Hare is most probably one of the world’s experts in all things psychopathic having written a book - ‘Snakes in Suits’ and he says that the capacity for corporations with these type of individuals in power to be one psychopathic
monster - is huge. 

Gaslighting comes up too. It’s based around how to manipulate (someone) by psychological means into doubting their own sanity: in the first episode of
the movie, Karen Valentine is being gaslighted by her husband - from the storyline of the film Gaslight (1944), in which a man psychologically manipulates
his wife into believing that she is going insane.

This too is how a psychopath can manipulate people.
So we have to identify these traits written above and act - and it is slowly happening.

In regard to Corporate Psychopathy they will lie, they will deflect, they will speak over others and they will belittle them - and the need for public
education around this is urgent - but we must be very careful as we could very well call out the wrong people - yet Robin states that this is a lesser
problem - we just have to become far more aware …

Don’t purchase shares in their companies, don’t vote for them … be more conscious of your choices.

The more information we have the better the chances of remedial action so as to make a better more caring world for our children and grandchildren.

An engaging interview.



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Tim Lynch

Tim Lynch, is a New Zealander, who is fortunate in that he has whakapapa, or a bloodline that connects him to the Aotearoan Maori. He has been involved as an activist for over 40 years - within the ecological, educational, holistic, metaphysical, spiritual & nuclear free movements. He sees the urgency of the full spectrum challenges that are coming to meet us, and is putting his whole life into being an advocate for todays and tomorrows children. 'To Mobilise Consciousness.'

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